Ozy And Millie: Not going to touch it

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  1. This is a false narrative. Students aren’t required to say “Under God”. They’re not even required to say the pledge. This is well-established legally.

    • In 2002 this was quite a hot button topic. Duh-byah was president, faux noise was becoming popular with the “religious right” (intolerant, indignant, old white men), and this topic was discussed ad nauseam to distract us from the war crimes being committed against “tarr-usts”.

    • Bellomy, let me just direct you here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pledge_of_Allegiance#Legal_challenges

      You’ll want to pay special attention to the references to events in 2002, since they were relevant at the time this was posted.

      Also, see 2006 and 2010 – there have been state-wide local attempts to require the pledge to be recited, and to require that teachers lead the class in recitation. This is, potentially, a violation of teacher and/or student beliefs, if not their rights.

    • Note how she never said she was “required” to say the pledge, only that kids would tease her if she didn’t.

      • Its both the greatest weakness and the exception that makes the first amendment work. The same freedom of speech can be used for public censure of those we disagree with, so long as we have enough support.

  2. Three facts guaranteed to make righties stick their fingers in their ears and wail, “La-La-Laaaaa, I’m not liiiiiiiiiiisteningnnnngggg!” when they hear them.

    The Pledge of the Allegiance did NOT originate with the Founding Fathers

    The Original Pledge did NOT contain the words, ‘Under God’

    The words Under God were added at the behest of the Knights of Columbus, NOT by popular acclaim

    • Wow. I have to say, I was unaware of that. I always thought it was originally there, but I never cared enough to research it for myself.

      • And “In God We Trust” wasn’t printed on US currency until 1957, although it had appeared on coins as early as 1864.

    • You forgot to add that the founding fathers were in the majority Diests, not Christians, therefore the “under God” part could just as easily refer to the undetermined “Natures God” rather than the God of the bible.

  3. Last year in one of my classes only the teacher and I said the pledge, and I mumbled it under my breath because there were twenty or so of my peers in that class staring mutely into space. Although there was this one guy in my class for a while who said “under Canada”, relevant since it was world geography 🙂
    I tried omitting parts of the pledge for a while but it didn’t work, I say the whole thing out of habit.

  4. The end of the pole is about the same height as Ozy’s neck and goes down at an angle of about 11 degrees. The only thing missing is to know Ozy’s exact height, and then someone could use trigonometry to determine if it’s actually possible for that pole to be ten feet long without being partially buried.

    • I just remembered a strip where it was mentioned that Llewellyn is 7 feet tall. Unfortunately, I’m too out of practice with the math to extrapolate anything from that.

    • 10 feet long at 11 degrees would mean the end of the pole must be just under 2 feet off the ground, otherwise the pole is either off the ground or (partially) buried. Ignoring the fact that the pole is pointed slightly away from us, a couple measurements off my screen put the angle closer to 19 degrees, which mean the end would be about 3 1/4 feet off the ground. Thinking of Ozy’s size compared to Llewellyn, a height between 2 and 3 feet actually doesn’t seem too far off.
      There’s my bit of nerdy input for the day.

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